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The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss: Simplicity and Start-up Alchemy: An Interview with WordPress Creator, Matt Mullenweg (Plus: 4HWW Party in SF and Stunt Competition)

  • Asgeir Hoem · 2 years ago
    Tim,
    Nice post! I guess "Bad-ass" sums it up. It's also interesting to follow the recent development in the Wordpress community, where they are trying to move towards a more portal'ish look, rather than the classic entries sidebar layout. I think it started with www.revolutiontheme.com.

    (There's a (slightly amusing) typo in your second paragraph: "Matt Mullenweg, is #16 on The 50 Most People on the Web list")

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    Hi A!

    Oops! Nice catch! I'd like to be one of the "most people" on the web ;)

    Tim
  • Glen Allsopp · 2 years ago
    Nice interview, his girlfriend sounds pretty cool ;)
  • Jess · 2 years ago
    Buy out a lot of old computers and tape their motherboards to various buildings in Boston.

    Maybe with a copy of your book glued to each one.

    Hey, you never said it had to be *good* PR!
  • Adam Teece · 2 years ago
    Go on a muse creation spree creating 4 new muses with only 40 hours of work and detail the process for each one proving how much you can do in only as little bit of time. Headline would read "Entrepreneur creates 4 successful businesses in only 40 hours" I think it would be an awesome PR stunt and an incredible inspiration.
  • Ken · 2 years ago
    "I can think of many examples where the creators of objects or services haven’t fully anticipated usage or iterated on observation of their creations, but I believe this is orthogonal to simplicity or complexity."
    That's funny! :-)
  • Leonard Klaatu · 2 years ago
    Can somebody translate his answers. I don't speak whatever language he speaks. Perhaps I'm just too stupid to understand, but clarity doesn't seem to ooze from his answers.
  • Bachelorium · 2 years ago
    I already have the Planet Earth HD-DVD's. Otherwise, I would have suggested something!
  • R. Kuja · 2 years ago
    I love his 4 principles used for his successful product!
    Thanks for sharing the insight Tim. I am just preparing to launch my blog @ www.AnimalAbatementSpecialists.com using Wordpress so it is nice to have this view from the inside. I've been inspired to do so by your blog as well as Jay & Sterling @ www.InternetBusinessMastery.com so thanks again!
  • Bill Ayers · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    I will see you at Dolce Saturday night!
  • J Sandifer · 2 years ago
    This is a great interview with someone who has helped to change the landscape of blogging! Thanks for showcasing Matt. I have used a few blogging systems and wordpress is definately the cleanest and most user friendly. Not sure how he is making money on it, but certain hope that he is!

    www.jbrides.com

    Picked up 4-Hour and have sent a couple to friends...now I just need to read it! Thanks Tim!
  • Jaime Mintun · 2 years ago
    I plan to join you at Dolce this Saturday. As a 26 year old female in the big biz entrepreneur world, I often don't feel a strong connection to the business books I read. But yours was the most enjoyable book in any genre that I've read since Think and Grow Rich.

    Look for an email to Amy from me.

    My partners and I work with the Fortune 500 and Baxter's billionaire boys but no one can match your vision and verve and with what we're manifesting, we know you're the one to talk to. So I plan to steal your ear for ten minutes this Saturday.

    This is just to whet your appetite enough that you request to read my email I'll send through to Amy. =)

    I'll share the rest of the details there.
  • Dan · 2 years ago
    Wow, does Matt need to read Zinsser or what?

    But this is not about Matt. This is a real coup for Tim. There is an entire book in your blog strategy - I can't wait to read it - so I will have to watch and learn :)

    Dan
  • Hannes · 2 years ago
    Cool interview.

    But the permanent link to this blog is *really* long ;)
    You do know that you shorten the slug, right?

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    Hannes!

    Thank you. This is great advice. Now I just need to figure out how to edit the permalink this way :) I'm still a novice, but I'll check it out...

    Tim
  • John Steinbeck · 2 years ago
    Great interview. WordPress can be credited with changing the web, really. Tons of bloggers like myself use their software, and it's incredibly easy for anybody to use. My blog is the basic core blog even-- no specialized template.

    Thanks for the good interview-
  • Boston · 2 years ago
    Great to see you get creative in helping a local non-profit raise money!

    I wish I could buy you a drink at Dolce- Let me know how it goes.
  • Marius · 2 years ago
    Thanks for information Tim, I have just implementing my blog using wordpress, super package -! I used previously a lot of packages for CMS and this is the best i think due to its modular structure and due to expandability, besides it lets you to code your own code in PHP and doesn't limit the functionality of scripting languages. Otherwise its too narrow in structure field by I think we will overcome this in near future/
  • Dan · 2 years ago
    WP rocks...we are in a desperate need of people like Matt and Tim. About simplicity http://lawsofsimplicity.com is a nice job from Maeda, cool the book as well!
  • Design for MySpace · 2 years ago
    Very insightful interview, the founder is pretty young indeed. Shocking that he doesn't code
  • will · 2 years ago
    your interview was great.

    your pr stunt should focus around the fact that labor organizations are dying and useless.

    labor day created in 1880 to boost the morale of labor and trade unions is a note worthy but worthless holiday. (wikipedia)

    are their trade organizations and workers movements in call centers in india? don't know don't care - would be a good case in point if not.

    go in front of the knights of labor (union that organized the first labor day) hall in nyc and declare the modern union dead.

    author of the 4-hr work week and (insert accolade here) declares the modern union movement dead and cites rapid industrialized growth in other nations. at least in india that have degrees ... what do our unions promote?

    apprenticeship?
  • Joe Templin · 2 years ago
    How about drawing from your martial arts background and the concept of 4HWW of breaking the labor tradition and actually break some stuff? 100 boards in a minute or something like that? Makes for good tv, it'd be fun, and it has a message.
  • Craig · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    Love your book & blog. It's so refreshing to have something that's so practical & how-to, instead of just regurgitated rah-rah inspiration (which has it's place too).

    As for the PR stunt, you should flex your influential muscle and challenge Gov. Arnold Schwartzenegger to an arm wrestling match. People could make bets (votes) on the winner for a small fee online or by phone with the money going to charity. You could challenge the Governator to bring to the table new reform policies on extended mandatory holiday time and improved labor policies in California. Headline might read "Wrestling the state for less labor days". Maybe even do it at half-time of one of the big football games.

    Ah-nold's been kicking butt with new environmental standards and stem cell research policies for his "nation state"...why not extended holiday for everyone as well! Then hopefully it would spread to the rest of the country (and hopefully here to Canada too :-).

    Alternatively, you could take him inside the cage for a good ol' fashioned death match and see how rusty he's gotten since the Running Man. He might be too chicken, but either way the real winner will be your chosen charity and overworked Americans all over.

    As for your interview in this blog, I found it ironic that it has an underlying theme about simplicity with so many $10 words. Or maybe I just need to read less Esquire, more Economist.

    I look forward to meeting you someday. I'm hoping you can participate in my own upcoming experiment called Project Gearshift (rough manifesto at www.AintoG.tv). The idea is similar to RoadTrip Nation, but instead of curious, clueless college students, it will be about (clueless,curious) me leaving my job & hitting the road with my wife & kids. It's about getting out of self-imposed ruts (aka boring,unfulfilling jobs) and doing something remarkable. Like yourself, my goal is to interview as many uber-successful change-makers and mentors as possible. Maybe we can be a case-study for your next book.

    We'll be heading down there in late Sept/Oct. Hope we can catch you before you head to Dubai.

    Best of luck with your PR stunt. I'll be watching. Hope to speak with you soon. I'd call you, but you'd probably get it by email anyway (or rather your VA would). Looking forward to getting your auto-responder.

    Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.

    Hasta la vista baby,

    Craig
  • Hannes · 2 years ago
    Tim - I wouldn't recommend changing the slug afterwards because people (like Matt) are already linking to this blog post and those links would point to a non-existent URL (Error 404 page) if you change the slug.

    But next time you write a blog post with a very long title you should look for the "Post Slug" box to the right of the editor. There you can write something like "this-is-a-shorter-slug" and that will be used in the permalink instead of "this-is-a-really-really-long-title-of-a-yet-another-great-blog-post" :)
  • Margie Zable Fisher · 2 years ago
    This article was timed perfectly. I recently switched to Wordpress on the advice of one of my clients, an SEO/blog guru. He told me Typepad was lame and Wordpress was the way to go, especially since I could use my own Web site domain name.

    Anyway, I outsourced the set-up to my virtual assistant, of course. She couldn't figure out some stuff, and neither could I, so I told her to find out the answers from Wordpress support.

    She said she went to the Wordpress site and it said that support is currently closed. Then it lists the support hours as 9-5 PDT. I just checked and it still says that support is closed. What's that about? I'd pay for support, but I guess that's not an option. I know we could look up the FAQs, but I'd like to have the support option.
  • Steven · 2 years ago
    Yeah, WP is great.
  • William · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    Quick question: why do you feel like you "should" know how to code? What will coding enable for you that you don't already have? Coding seems like a prime example of the kind of thing you should outsource. Saying you "should" know how to code sounds like a case of "knowing for the sake of knowing." Either that or you're trying to gain credibility with the techies around the blogosphere. ;-)

    The comment struck me as odd, and seems like it goes against so many of the principles I found in your book. I need to develop a website of my own, and have SOME HTML/CSS experience, but not a lot. I'm thinking about tackling a CSS-heavy website and learning to code it myself, but the motivation would be solely monetary. Paying someone to code a site I design would be ideal, and would free up so much time for me to focus on other aspects of the business that deserve my attention... and is probably a much better way of getting an "in" with the blogging community.

    Anyway, can't say enough good things about the book. It's currently making its rounds at my office.

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    Hi W!

    Ha.. the dreaded "S" word! It's not guilt-driven. I actually really want to learn a programming language just because I'm interested in learning computer syntax/diction, etc. and comparing them to natural languages.

    Cheers,

    Tim
  • Tara · 2 years ago
    Great post - Matt is a few years younger than me, but his wisdom and insight leaves me for dead. Love it when someone streches your mind like that - thanks for making the interview available Tim.

    I too have recently made the swap to Wordpress.
    There were a couple of things I wasn't too sure about but found answers came quickly on their forum (that might be of help to you or your VA Margie?)

    Tim - if you're ever in Sydney or Melbourne, I'd love to host one of your 4HWW parties... know quite a few young (and young at heart) entrepreneurs and adventurers who would make it a great night.

    Cheers
    Tara
  • 100 Hour Workweek · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    Have you seen the 4 hour workweek spoof?

    Workweek: NEVER Escape Your Job, Live Alone, and Join the New Poor.

    Thought it may amuse your readers: http://retiredat21.com/the-100-hour-workweek-ne...
  • James · 2 years ago
    Great interview. A fascinating character.
  • Jim · 2 years ago
    Matt should keep coding and stop talking. As an English major and a normal human being, I find him arrogant and nauseating. I use Wordpress and was excited about this interview until I had the misfortune of reading it.
  • Erik Cox · 2 years ago
    hey Tim,
    I see that SXSW just put up the new site for this year... are you going to speak again there? It would be cool to attend if you are. Let us know!
  • Jaime Mintun · 2 years ago
    Jim,

    I'm curious what you found nauseating about Matt's interview. As an English major myself, I appreciated a coder's connection to poetry and the economy of words that is lost on so many of our verbose brethren.

    If it's your opposition to the multitude of big words when more simple words would do...you should connect with more programmers and developers. They aren't being arrogant; they're simply fascinated by complexity (I know, we were targeting simplicity here). And the fact remains that most coders (at least that I've worked with) enjoy the nuances of etymology, numerical and coding syntax, and even sacred geometry.

    So I would say, before we judge someone as arrogant, we should consider that perhaps he is simply passionate.
  • Loming · 2 years ago
    Hi Tim.

    maybe we just saw each other in berlin, today, 11pm Tram M10, blue adidas shirt, green gym bag. If so I assume this was not by chance but a hint for something to explore. Interested?
  • C5Tor · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    Here's your PR Stunt:

    Skydive into a live Good Morning America segment (maybe while playing a tuba or juggling or something like that.) Explain that these are all skills that you learned literally minutes before (from a master skydiving tuba instructor in India via live webcast over your iPhone while waiting on the circling plane above) thus efficiently utilizing your extra 36 hours a week by utilizing 4HWW principles. Teach Robin Roberts to Tango in 3 minutes. And if you have the time, kick Sam Champion's butt with some brutal Muay Thai knee strikes. Triumphantly high-five the cheering crowd while handing out 4HWW books to the adoring throng.

    It doesn't get much better than that!

    Okay, I know it's a bit unrealistic, but could you just try and fit in the Sam Champion thing with any of your other PR stunts? I really wanna see that. Pretty please?!

    Gotta run now. I'm batching my emails in 3 minutes.

    Good luck on your stunt!
  • marcie · 2 years ago
    Hey Tim - the best I am coming up with is, drop some vouchers from the sky over major metro area(s) for a free copy of 4HWW, that say something like 'happy labor day - stop laboring' and give them a timeframe to get to a local B&N...

    Media can be 'freedom falling from the sky?' or something to that effect...
  • Christine · 2 years ago
    Ahhh, that Matt. He is so awesome. I want to be like him when I grow up. And I can *totally* hear his girlfriend saying she is going to kick your ass.
  • Marc · 2 years ago
    "It’s a false dichotomy and a leading question."

    How about releasing the broomstick from the sphincter death grip. Nice interview Tim, but whenever I read anything by Mullenweg, he comes off like the biggest primadonna poindexter this side of the moon.
  • Daniel · 2 years ago
    Matt's WordPress rocks!! I love the ease and price (free)! Thanks Matt for WordPress and Tim for your blog and book.
  • Dave · 2 years ago
    Let's all take a minute to appreciate the irony of these boys using the highly-refined Wordpress blogging platform's comment system to blindly insult it's passionate, well-intentioned, creator.

    I had a chance to hear Matt keynote at the 2006 San Francisco Future of Web Apps conference. He was exceptional and impressively followed up some excellent speakers.

    Direct MP3 link, for those interested: http://media.libsyn.com/media/carsonsystems/Mat...
  • Joshua Wexelbaum · 2 years ago
    Here is my idea for your PR stunt:

    Offer all the profits of your #1 best selling book from now on to go to Charity. To get users involved, allow visitors on your website to submit and choose which charity they think the money should go to, then give to that charity the percentage of votes that it has earned. Send out press releases to all the major TV, newspaper and other contacts you can think of.
  • personal development · 2 years ago
    Wordpress continues to astound. I've built our new site entirely on WP with some fantastic plugins (click my name to check it out) and I'm launching my 'day job''s corporate blog on wordpress. And my blog's on wordpress. I owe this man, and the team a lot. It's a fantastic platform, kudos!
  • Rich Gilchrest · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    I have a stunt suggestion:

    72 hours of streaming video, showing you in the process of starting, organizing, and automating a new business venture. Show off to your fans just how easy it can be to get a new business venture off the ground once you've done some market research.

    In one weekend, you can start with an idea and a little research, then move into obtaining rights to a product, developing your marketing, hiring the outsourced workers, getting the product distributed, automating the system, and.. well, all the other great info you cover in your book :)

    For an extra media-attention-grabbing challenge, do it on budget that is within most peoples' reach, say $500. Traffic on the website to watch the video could be huge, and serve as the start-up marketing for whatever product you launch.
  • vio · 2 years ago
    Tim,
    A word from up-north (Montreal, Canada).
    Learning to program is good because it will open up new horizons for you - same as learning to drive. Sure, you could hire a driver (admit it, you can even afford it now :), but knowing how to drive gives you "freedom".
    Same with knowing how to program. Knowledge is power !!!

    I'd suggest installing python and going through the "excellent" tutorial that comes with it - see www.python.org. Python was developped initially to introduce kids to programming (if I recall the story correctly). Mission accomplished.
    Oh yeah, and your book has changed my life, in a way, by helping me adding another layer of "freedom" to it, so I guess I should say thanks. I instinctively wanted to do it myself, but knowing that some other did it and it works, clearing the path of imaginary mines, helped.
    Here's an assignment for you, after completing the python tutorial: translate the WP code from php to python. And sending me a copy, because I'm too lazy to do it myself. I know, you'll love it :)
    No, really, you will.
    Eventually.
  • Dave · 2 years ago
    Great post Tim! Thanks for continuing to inspire and motivate me to get going on my own projects. I've recommended your book to literally dozens of friends and colleagues, and have begun working on some Muses with 3 friends already. Kudos again on your no-nonsense, "let's change the world by working smarter" approach!

    Going on the Labor Day theme:

    1) Brainstorm 4 ideas for a new venture and post them on this site for readers to vote on this week, deadline Friday.

    2) On Labor Day, "live-blog" taking the winning idea to completion with 4 hours of your time, using principles from the book.

    3) Donate all proceeds to buying copies of your book to donate at libraries across the nation. Alternatively, pick a charity tied to Labor issues.

    As a "PR guy" by trade, I like some of the other ideas too, but PR for it's own sake is beneath the point of your book (and the "4HWW movement") IMO. Do something tied to reality and to demonstrate how workable and easy the practices in your book are, and it will reap huge benefits and make a difference. Isn't that the whole point?

    Can't wait to see how things shake out!
  • Dave · 2 years ago
    Posted this once, but now it's gone. Hmmm. My suggestions for the PR "stunt":

    1) Brainstorm 4 ideas for a new Muse, post them here, and let the community vote for the winner.
    2) On Labor Day, "live blog" the creation of this new venture, using no more than 4 hours of your time, plus the recommendations from the book.
    3) Donate proceeds from the creation of this muse to getting copies of your book out to libraries across the country, or to a labor-related charity.

    Good luck! As I mentioned previously in my missing post, beware "PR stunts" for publicity's sake -- IMO that's counter-intuitive to your book's message. As a PR guy by trade, my suggestion is to go for something meaningful to you... the media can generally see through self-serving stunts, and even if they bought a "stunt", it would likely do more harm than good if there wasn't some steak included with the sizzle.
  • Cyndi · 2 years ago
    Tim Ferriss Bueller's Day Off. :D You must have been hearing that since 1st grade. Seems fitting.
  • Jaime Mintun & Rachel Rofe · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    It seems to us that your PR Stunt has to have certain elements:

    1. Draw the masses (i.e. be really fun and entertaining)
    2. Possess a great story or spin to draw massive PR coverage
    3. Drive home the importance and possibility of pursuing a 4 hour work week

    So here’s the perfect PR stunt for Labor Day Weekend:

    Host a beach party on Mission Beach strip in San Diego where beach-goers can have alcohol and activities. Because of that, this is an extremely popular destination for Labor Day Weekend so you can leverage its popularity to draw a wider audience. You can thank Jason Moffatt (JasonMoffatt.com) for telling us about this great beach. Go here to learn more and request a permit:
    http://www.san-diego-beaches.com/public-places-...

    However, this is no typical Labor Day Party. No, this is the 1st Annual Creative Life Design Party that challenges anyone who desires or doubts a 4 hour work week to come down for 36 hours (a typical 40 hour week minus the 4 hours of work. We suggest 8am-8pm Sat., Sun., and Mon.) of creative life design. Attendees will experience how fulfilling your work model is by sampling various passions they may like to pursue, given the free time. This will inspire a newfound drive to outsource their work and reduce their hours.

    If you can pull it off in the next week, we would recommend reaching out to your star case studies to come out and teach their own passion, such as surfing, tango, break dancing, language, cooking, etc. Party attendees, for free, can sample these various passions to see which ones strike a chord with their deeper self.

    You can also host various areas that encourage one to let go and open up to new possibilities. For instance, you could include round tables where volunteers take attendees through your creative life design worksheets to help them plan out what they want and how to reach it in record time. Round table participants can then keep in touch and help each other reach their goals.

    We will be in San Diego and are happy to help orchestrate this event (including drumming up some volunteers).

    We wish you the best,

    Jaime & Rachel

    P.S. It was great meeting you at Dolce.
  • Steve · 2 years ago
    Tim, thanks for putting such a great book. I read it while I was on a mini-retirement in Europe. We toured Nice, Monte Carlo, Zurich, and Belgrade. It was great taking a month off and just having fun.

    I ran both of my business from Europe via a cell phone, Internet Cafes, and Google tools (no laptops, they are too heavy).

    I'm just finishing putting together an ebook on how assemble websites based on The 4-Hour Workweek template you defined. It uses WordPress, plugins, and themes to build these sites. I will drop you an email when they are done.

    Thanks again for showing me how to build a 4-Hour Workweek!

    Steve
  • will · 2 years ago
    Tim,
    I like to use WordPress for the same reasons as you described. It's easy and I set it up in about 10 minutes. I've read an am implementing many of the 4-hour workweek ideas.

    Hope SXSW was fun, I've alwasy wanted to go. Someday....

    Your book can be read on many different levels, thanks for writing it.

    Will
  • Indra · 2 years ago
    Tim,
    You took great decision to fix your Indonesian (and Arabic) first before moving on with Phyton and those time consuming language. You don't even need to code by yourself, do you?

    Approaching Indonesian beauty should be done by you. Yourself. If missing the experience won't bother you, you can give the task to any VAs you can find ;-)

    Matt mentioning Philip G. reminds me his quote: "The future of internet is so bright you should wear your sunglasses!"

    Thanks for the interview, Tim.

    PS.
    I can teach you "off the book" Indonesian if you want to ;-)

    Just buy me a beer for that...
  • Joseph Flahiff · 2 years ago
    Tim,

    I love the book! Thanks for writing it. It is funny. I have done a ton of the things you talk about in the book. I wanted to learn about theatre lighitng design so, Why not learn from the best. I went to NYC for a week and took a Master class with about 20 Tony Award winning designers. There I took a class on Intelligent lighitng equipment (rock concert stuff). Loved the class but didn't have access to any. So I just emailed folks and started asking to borrow equipment for a show I was working on for a local HIgh School. Wihin a month the I had over $40,000 of hot off the production line equipment being shipped to me for free (the shipping alone was thousands of dollars). I borrowed all this equipment (moving lights and a top of the line control board), for free for a month. (then I wrote an article for THE international magazine for Lighitng design http://livedesignonline.com/mag/lighting_varili...)
    But that wasn't enough. I heard that a Tony Award winnning designer was coming to town to design for a show at the 5th Avenue theatre in Seattle. So, I found his email and asked if I could just come watch (of course I think he thought I was hitting on him to begin with). He said yes and I took a week off work to learn one on one with one of the best designers in the world.

    As you say in your book the FACT is people are just people and if you just ask you can get just about anything. Most of the other people just don't show up.

    Now if I can just build a business that works by itself... Thanks for the tools. If you are ever looking for someone to work wtih as a new case study I would love to talk about the projects I am working on to work on my lifestyle design plan.

    Thanks Tim

    Peace
    Joseph
  • Nestor · 2 years ago
    Matt does come across a bit nerdy, but it sorta comes with the territory.

    Wordpress can be absorbing, I find it motivating me to learn php so I can do more than cut and paste stuff into my themes blindly.
  • denise spinos · 2 years ago
    What to do if you have an idea that is 100% needed especially in the justice dept but do not know how to market it. This is not another toy, game or gadget, although we can use many, nonetheless this is something that concerns what we lack in the most, justice, courts are way behind and crime is way ahead this will help with both, more jails only holds crime in one place until time to release, community services only scolds the conduct, more laws will mean more law enforcement and the circle continues round and round
  • shopping · 1 year ago
    I'm interested in knowing how Matt (or someone like him) actually makes money. How does he make money out of Wordpress? It's all free, and someone has to develop it. So how does he make money? Surely someone has to pay for all this stuff – the hosting, the developing, the fixing of the bugs, the administration, etc. Open source really amazes me that they manage to make money out of this business model – very interesting!
  • clarice · 1 year ago
    Have to agree with shopping how does anybody make money out of opensource? It is fascinating. I haven't got the faintest idea what a lot of the stuff being talked about means but who cares? Its only like listening to somone in education or medicine going off on all the acronyms.No what I want to find out is how to make money legally and ethically from home without getting into cash gifting or such like....
  • how to make fast money · 1 year ago
    There is an alchemy in sorrow. It can be transmuted into wisdom, which, if it does not bring joy, can yet bring happiness.
  • Stanislav · 1 year ago
    It is beautifully turned out .. I liked ..) would be continuously zahazhivat to you.
  • Asha · 10 months ago
    Is there a way to report online harassment?!?Like from Wordpress? I know a wordpress site who's creator likes to insult children and attempts to "play" with them if you know what I mean. Is there a site where I could report him to the police or FBI or some form of law enforcement?
  • website validation · 10 months ago
    I ran both of my business from Europe via a cell phone, Internet Cafes, and Google tools (no laptops, they are too heavy).