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Have you or anyone you know used redbutler.com yet? Interested in any first-hand experiences.
Love the blog, loved the podcast interview with Scott Hanselman, and I bought the book yesterday from Amazon! I look forward to getting it and I hope you make it to #1 on the NYT list.
-Peter
I'll send some traffic your way. Good luck!
I was floored by how often this happens. I put up a profile on OKCupid a year and a half ago and got messages from tons of men who were obviously looking for someone who wasn't me. It just wastes everybody's time. If you wouldn't interview a person who you knew was unacceptable for a job, then why do that? I, thankfully, am more picky--and I only had to do two mediocre dates before I found the guy who is now the fiance. (And the two that were mediocre were that way because the guys in question weren't totally honest about what they wanted, what a surprise!)
I am married with 3 kids. You mention above I could outsource reading to my kids. Perhaps you were kidding but somehow I don't think you were.
I assume you don't have kids and if you do I beg you to reconsider outsourcing any aspect of raising them.
Why?
Because when a 4 year old child falls asleep in your arms during storytime you realize that true wealth cannot be measured in dollars or time and if anyone thinks differently... well I feel sorry for them.
Love the blog, keep them rolling!
You mentioned Bosnian outsourcing here, do you have any specific firms you recommend from Croatia? The very thought of hassling my friends from Eastern Europe is too much to resist! :)
I started my own TV station after Tom Green got his, you need your own channel! 4HourWW TV is so easy to do with Ustream.TV, you can literally do live TV from your laptop at the beach!
I have working examples up at http://www.didyousmellthat.com I know your stuff will be way better. Imagine your fans watching you interview cool people in real time, with your massive readership base you can easily pass Tom Green's 30,000 viewers.
What an amazing time we live in!
Loved your book by the way:
http://www.sitelead.com/blog/just-read-the-four...
PS: Thanks for turning us on to Onion...what a hoot!
PPS: If you haven't seen "Once"...go do it NOW!
Thanks for the great comments. Just a few more ideas/responses:
-Ron, I would never outsource reading to my kids, but I think it's a hysterical exercise that helps to cultivate lateral thinking that can be applied in more practical cases. I'm really looking forward to having a few hellions and relishing every moment of it. I only outsource the things I don't want to do.
-Sam, no need to shoot yourself in the head. Again, I only outsource the things I don't want to do, which leaves me with more time to do the fun stuff. It's about creating rich experiences vs. a string of endless mundane ones.
-To all who asked about me outsourcing the blog: I don't outsource any of it right now. Akismet catches nearly all spam, and I'm actually enjoying this whole experiment of interacting with people all over. It's fun. Keep in mind that I only post once or twice a week, so I don't have some of the pressures/expectations that many bloggers create for themselves.
Keep the ideas and thoughts coming!
All the best from NY,
Tim
FUN!
Next time, to avoid the embarrassment of that misplaced date, you'll have to outsource the first-time meetings too. That'll make the second date a _real_ test!
Aaron
Love the Onion, had totally forgotten about it last 3 years!
HEY YOU! #100... I know you are here.
You can be my CENTENNIAL MEMBER of my 4HWW Ning group, just click my name above to check it out! (We are at #97 right now)
Victory
GeoArb sounds like such a great idea. The first project for my outsourcing buddies is going to be to find me a new job. One in which I can work from home and end up with a 4 hour (or less) work week. I just ordered your book online and am ready to automate my income and expenses. You have a lot of great advice and I am looking forward to reading even more in your book. I do wish you would post more. Maybe you could have your outsourcing peeps write a daily or biweekly "tim ferris tip-o-the-day" or something to keep us involved.
Oh yes, and more videos of your excursions please!!
For years I hated myself for not having succeeded at a game I never wanted to play in the first play, e.g. the rat race. My greatest joy in life is teaching people how to communicate with the unborn, as well as being a full-time mom to my own kids, of course. It tore my heart in two to put my 2-year-old in preschool so I could work (and even then struggling to make ends meet). Now that I have a 10-month-old, I have resolved to create an ample TMI using your 4HWW principles. No childcare sourcing for me!! (Besides I *like* nursing my baby and watching him play with ice cubes.)
In gratitude,
Christy
p.s. Dating is not a numbers game. It's a "number" game--the number 1. When you get clear about who your Ms. Right is (which it sounds like you've done) and you're really ready to settle down/commit, she'll show up. You won't have to go looking for her. It'll happen very naturally before you realize it, like striking up a conversation with someone in a cafe overseas. :)
I hope you're leaving time in there for you and your partners to actually enjoy your dates. :)
I just finished your book, and realized part-way through that I could have written it - except for the part about having built a company pulling in tens of thousands of bucks a month - but, was that gross, or net to you, personally? I hate when business people crow about big gross numbers, only to find out that their personal net was small, or even negative. I'm guessing you still did very well, though, based on the incredibly useful material throughout the rest of the book (someone at Pulitzer needs to start counting useful URLs in books as a metric for consideration of their prize).
I retired at age 39 after a career in the Navy, and pull down a guaranteed income more than sufficient to pay the monthly bills in about half of the U.S. (i.e., at the periphery of, or outside, the larger metro areas), which will amount to millions over the rest of my life, and more, as it, and other income, has been wisely invested. I own three properties around the country that are worth well over a million bucks, even with the current real estate market down-turn, and the best part is that renters paid for it all. My wife and I are able to fly space-available (usually during the off-seasons in the Fall and Winter outside of holiday periods - when it's less crowded and much cheaper for everything, everywhere) for free anywhere the U.S. military flies, which is pretty much everywhere, these days.
I supplement my retirement income by writing software in SillyCon Valley (if you've used a DVR like a TiVo, or a telephone, you've used my software), and got my Masters in Computer Science while in the Navy (and I got paid full-time for those two years, to boot) as payback for living in Japan and Okinawa for about seven years, when everyone else had European bases on their "dream sheets" (officially aka duty preference cards). My Bachelors in Engineering was also paid for by the taxpayers, and as a testament to my appreciation, I'm a volunteer for museums on weekends, where I explain technology to kids of all ages (the best question I was ever asked was "What was World War II?" by a 12 year-old after describing how the Nazi Enigma encryption/decryption machine worked - try explaining that in 10 words, or less!).
I'm currently earning a commercial helicopter pilot and instructor's certificates, because flying is a blast, and it's even better when someone else is paying not just the exhorbitant fuel bills, but, also paying me exhorbitant rates. I'd be more than happy to take you up flying when you need a break from counting up all those greenbacks (I am also working on my fixed-wing certificates, and am at AirVenture Oshkosh this week on one of my mini-retirements). Oh, and in my copious spare time, I'm also building my own helicopter and an autogyro (I got the latter for free from a guy who's at the traditional retirement age, and can't get motivated to maintain it anymore). When the weather is bad in the Winter, I build micro-miniature model railroad layouts with friends, and run trains on them for kids at events up and down the West Coast, and occasionally, even around the country.
Life is great, and you've given me some ideas for additional entrepreneurial income streams I wouldn't have thought of otherwise, that will allow my wife and I to live even better well past the age when most people have given up their soul to their job, much less given up the ghost.
I hope my purchase of your book at Costco in July gets you over the hump on the NYT bestsellers list, and keep up the great work here on the WWW site.
All the Best,
Joe Blow
well done on getting to no.2 on NYT list for June! I will definitely buy a few more copies for friends plus my own copy is looking a bit dog-eared as I carry it around with me. I'm based in the UK though, so where should I buy online - my first thought was amazon.co.uk?
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Dear Julie,
Thanks so much for the help! If you can't order from B&N;, Amazon.com would be second choice for single copies, followed for you by amazon.co.uk. All of the copies help drive the momentum! I'm working on the new UK cover now with the publisher over yonder :) It will be a bit before the UK version is out, so one of the above is your best bet for now. Cheers!
Tim
Before reading Tim's book (which I devoured), I had looked into outsourcing Spanish lessons for my 7 year old. I found and interviewed (via Skype) a wonderful teacher in Argentina. Her rate was a little higher than the Indian outsourcers I use, but it's still 1/3rd of what I would pay in NYC.
Plus, (my thinking is), my son loves being on the computer, so a couple of hours a week learning Spanish from an Argentine kills two birds with one stone.
More on this later.
my impression is that you are an ambitious self-promoter who is succeeding to a remarkable degree. I'm certain this is time consuming and requires great focus. If this is true, is not your credo regarding a 4 hour work-week somewhat disingenuous?
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Hi John,
Good question. The PR planning does take a lot of focus, but it doesn't require a lot of time if I think through it all well enough. The less hard thinking I do upfront, the longer execution takes. If I prioritize -- what is my desired quantifiable outcome? -- and think laterally, there is usually an elegant solution. Some of the things I do, like the blog, have a PR effect but are simultaneously things I enjoy. I would ask the same question you did (I am naturally a skeptic), but my PR approach -- note that I have never done any bookstore signings -- actually conforms nicely to the 4HWW message. Thanks for the comment!
Cheers,
Tim
Love the blog! Bout 1/2 way thought the book, at first I was like "yeah, yeah, yeah I'm already doing this stuff", but I am left humbled & inspired by the amazing tools in there. Never used YMII before & waiting until after 11AM to check e-mail & doing the 1st priority first by 11...wow, what a difference.
Also, I only check email when overseas every week or so, but...never made the jump that I could always do that, so simple, but brilliant. Looking forward to the 2nd half. Inspired...andrea
I'm a big fan of The Onion - funny stuff.
Hey, I thought you might be interested in a link or two related to your outsourcing concept. It's not new information but it's also not something I've seen you talk about and I think it has great potential for people looking to outsource.
http://www.mturk.com/mturk/welcome
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2006/07/24/tu...
http://mashable.com/2005/11/04/amazon-mechanica...
P.S. I just bought your book yesterday and am enjoying it.
I'll be in Miami for the Miami Salsa Congress Aug. 3&4 (Do you salsa as well as Tango?) and in Ft. Lauderdale for relaxation and intense 4HWW planning/practice on Aug. 5&6. If you can join me for any portion of my trip, I'll not only buy you a drink (as if this is the clincher), but I'll also give you a 15-minute condensed media training session. I've seen some of your videos, and I'm always impressed with what you have to say, but I have some pointers to help you improve with focus and delivery. If you're unable to make it down to Florida, then just email me and I'll take the time to write my detailed thoughts. I won't post my number here - but email me and we can arrange a meeting.
Regards,
Erica
Absolutely love your book. Am almost finished with it. Bothering my husband with comments like, ‘Ok, listen to this…!’ or ‘This one’s unbelievable…’ It’s so neat how you combine psychology with business and lifestyle.
Very inspiring for me as my husband and I have a goal of relocating to London by this fall. We live in the US, both are college grads, and want to experience the UK, and travel. We’re applying through the highly skilled migrant worker program and then applying for full-time jobs. Its a long process but very do-able.
Also, for someone who just finished culinary school and has a love of life-coaching and networking, this book definitely chose ME. THANK YOU :) Any tips that come to mind, I would love to hear from you.
Dating isn't a numbers game for me, but by defining my criteria for success (my 5 filters), I'm able to eliminate most of the duds, automate the process of meeting new people as much as possible, and--in a few cases--I've found a quality man I felt, um, liberated just being around.
There is always a tradeoff between time and functions. If you're seeking more time, then you're bound to give up some of the functions you think are necessary. Michael E. Angier of Successnet suggests a matrix, Time-Function / Urgent versus Important, which could be accessed at http://www.analystzone.com/index_files/Page430.htm which makes it a lot clearer as to why you should chose to outsource few things, if not too personal ones. There are four quadrants and try to figure out those functions listed in different quadrants that could be could be outsourced. luckyly for some, it is possible to get very personal with their outsourcing startegies, for their financial situation allows them to do so. Work less and live more!
Deepak
Last night I was reading Chapter 8 and since I am currently an employee my first reaction was: you guessed it; I don't have anything to outsource! Then the light bulb went on: I am struggling to get my website finished! I made this deal with someone in exchange of 2 framed artworks (don't try this at home) we started in January with a finish line early March and here we are it is August!
Instead of getting more and more frustrated I can use this as my outsource exercise! So this morning I wrote my website designer a short e-mail with a Criticism Sandwich and a polite 'thank you, don’t need you anymore' and I felt so released!
Next I posted my job at Elance and YMII. Now I am going to apply at http://josh-greene.com/serviceworks/ for a service works project grant to cover my outsourcing costs since I have no pesos. (Husband has been unemployed for almost 10 months)
I am so glad to have ‘met’ someone who like me does not read newspapers. I have been propagating this for 20 years and people still think I am nuts, yet they wonder how I get so well informed! LOL
I’ll be back, need your input on how to get my books published, book publicity etc.
Love, Mo
I know that you made a distinction in your book between VA firms that are helpful primarily for personal assistant work vs. a high-quality professional service (like Brickwork). I am looking for an awesome web-designer with knowledge of e-commerce and back-end functioning that will be totally reliable. Would you suggest any of the sites above for this kind of work or stick with a domestic tech guy for this kind of responsibility?
Thanks for the direction!
Cheers,
Vanessa
p.s. I don't know if you've had the chance to make it to Santa Barbara in your travels, but it is well worth it. I'd love to treat you to a cup of coffee or a spin around the dance floor if you're ever in town. :)
I just finished reading your book. Wow. What a service to humanity! I have always wanted to do something like what you describe, but didn't have all the tools until now. Thanks!!!
I have (so far) one question: I didn't understand what happened when the woman who tried selling T-shirts on the Internet, "reached her online sales ceiling" since well-funded competitors were spending too much for advertising and driving up costs. Were her competitors selling the same T-shirts? (I didn't think that was the case.) Did lots of other people suddenly start selling humorous T-shirts on the Internet, right after she started doing it? (That didn't seem likely either, and even if they did, weren't hers unique?) Did ALL Internet advertising costs suddenly escalate, within the two weeks that she had been selling shirts there? I would be ever so grateful if you could help me understand what happened.
Thanks again!
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Hi Jane!
I'm referring to competitors who make t-shirts and then drive up the cost of the pay-per-click advertising. The more popular an advertising channel is, the more uneducated overpayers you find, and the higher (and unprofitable) the prices become.
Hope that helps!
Tim
How do you make your "system" work when you're away from the US (however, you have a bank account there, ssn, and pay taxes), your credit is quite bad, and you've got almost no startup capital?
Some tips would come in really handy.
Otherwise, I love your book, and all its potential.
I already paid 50,000 dollars and my lawyer wants to dump us now go figure
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Hi Douglas,
I'm really sorry to hear about your situation. That sucks. I can't offer legal advice, but I do know that many of the major law firms in the US outsource their lower-level tasks, research, and admin work overseas, often to Manila.
Best of luck, and just remember... it's not how many times you get knocked down that counts. It's how many times you get back up.
All the best,
Tim
Any recommendations on finding other virtual assistants. You've made YMII so popular there is now a three week wait.
YIKES! I want to outsource now.
My first request will be research for my wedding location.
My second- cleaning up my credit report
My third- Gov't papework for immigration to Canada- hunting down police certificates from around the world.
Thanks in advance for any ideas :)
Susan
In your talk you said you were thrown out of your job on most or all the occasions. That leaves me wondering if you started practicing 4-hour work week even while being employed! :-)
Obviously your ex-employers must be cursing themselves now!
Deepak
How exhausting!! (Not to mention time-consuming, even if the leg work is being done by outsourcing)! How do you find time to go on all those dates?!?!
I am also wondering about the *real* results of the experiment... did you meet a woman (or women)with whom you are having a serious relationship? If so, how's it going (if you feel ok discussing it on the blog)?
(Or was that your goal at all? Perhaps you were mainly out looking for a high volume of female contacts, in which case I'm assuming the goal was achieved?)
I recently had an incredibly "efficient" online dating experience with match.com. (OK, I'm a female, so maybe it's different, but stay with me here.) I was actually looking for a casual relationship. I put up a somewhat unusual but very honest, detailed profile with a single photo (a mugshot for a job application, the only digital photo I had on hand). I got a ton of boring generic responses (maybe one was from one of your outsourcers lol), which I politely declined. Then I got one long, detailed, well-written email that outlined several of our mutual interests and didn't solicit me for an immediate date. We sent several messages back and forth and ended up going out about a week after 1st contact. Seven months later, we're an exclusive and very happy couple. He was the only guy I ever dated from match.com, and the only one I needed to date. I'm a happy camper.
So I am left wondering... might tending to your own online dating, but being verrrry selective about responding, be a more efficient way to go? Especially as a lot of the actual time spent is in the dates themselves?
Again, this might be a more successful strategy for women than for men. Even so, good for female readers to consider. Male readers might note that the initial emails my now-boyfriend sent me would have been almost impossible for an outsourcer to produce.
Congrats on 4-Hour Workweek. I just loaned my copy to my boyfriend (yes, the one I met on match.com), and he loved it!
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Hi J!
It actually wasn't that much work at all. Writing it out makes it sounds like a huge chore, just like trying to write a description of tying your shoes. My goal was simple: go on dates with a ton of very attractive and very smart lasses and start there. I had close to 30 dates, great second dates with a number of them, and then dated one for a good period of time. It wasn't a long-term fit, so I'm back on the market, but the experiment was a huge success.
Online dating for men vs. for women is like highschool for boys vs. for girls: totally different. Ditto with bars. Women, as a general rule, do not approach men. That's our job, and -- as fun as it can be -- it's a tiring one after a while!
Have a great weekend,
Tim
I realize that this is a scary proposition for most people but may be a lifesaver for many desperate families looking at a medical emergency. So I have created a free resource at www.medical-treatment-in-india.com to give them the facts to make a decision. Check it out!!
Just tried to hire a personal assistant through elance and YMII. No hits on elance yet and YMII has a three week waiting period. Could you add a space on your website listing new sites and options you or other readers use.
Much appreciated,
Sana
If you could search on yahoo using the string "executive assistance" kpo or "executive assistance" India, you have some good results with regard to Indian service providers. Try them out!
Good day!
Deepak
I wouldn't prefer to call some names of service providers here. But clicking my name would definitely help. Apologies to Tim, I am not here to do business but I can surely help you.
Regards,
Deepak
Well, I never thought I'd outsource my gardening, but it is possible to do. The principles of the book work well for the gardening area as it does for the business or personal outsourcing area.
http://www.tomatocasual.com/2007/08/20/the-4-ho...
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Hi T,
LOL... I'm afraid that YMII is overloaded with requests, hence the slow response time. They've at least doubled staff but are still outstripped. I recommend checking out some other options as well, like www.elance.com and www.odesk.com.
Good luck!
Tim
-elance has several unqualified people who look good on paper but show their lack of followup and clear understanding within the first hour of testing. They also require lots of hand holding instead of initiative.
-virtual assistants chamber of commerce has individuals with bad followup and slow response times not to mention misleading skill advertising
-brickwork seems to only take the simplest calender management and research tasks and tries to lock you in a retainer
-others--bad to slow followup
There has got to be a better way to do this like a one stop source with a variety of individuals with different skills sets and clear communication styles. At this point this seems like more of a time-waster than time-saver.
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Hi S!
Personal outsourcing is challenging but worth the effort. I've used primarily Elance for the last few months, but I've been experimenting with a few others and will report findings soon. Bottom line: just like with a normal hiring agency or headhunting agency, you will need to filter. I use rankings, past billing (someone with at least 12 client transactions), and response time. With other tasks, like hiring a personal assistant to read your e-mail, the mutual training process can take a few months, before which there are always bumps.
It's no silver bullet, but personal outsourcing can be invaluable. Be sure to look closely at your tasks as well to see if some of the blame might be on your side. Some of it usually is ;)
Best,
Tim
Ideas? Suggestions?
This is similar to expecting everyone to clock less than 9 seconds in sprint event. There are few factors like gaining familiarity, understanding client's style of functioning, client's business or personal needs, cultural issues, communication etc. have some impact on the turnaround time before your VA starts delivering results. The progression is incremental and please look at it from a long term perspective. Of course, identifying the right person is a challenge, either in real or virtual world, but attainable with some patience.
Deepak
I am really surprised to see your comment saying "brickwork seems to only take the simplest calender management and research tasks and tries to lock you in a retainer". My experience has been totally different in a sense, they do undertake one-time assignments and these need not be on a retainer basis. Of course, I was explained that if these are routine tasks that we are going to outsource from them, it is better to have the same assistant working for us, which usually happens on on-going or retainership model. In fact to my knowledge Bricwork is providing executive assistance not only in just calender management but the entire MS Outlook Management like managing emails, address books or contacts, and also tasks like power point presentations, database management etc. Of course, there is always a gap of our eexpectations and the service providers but that happens even over here. Let us bridge the gap between our expectations and their capabilities as well.
My fifth elance assistant and finally a piece of gold. Tasks have actually been completed faster than I expected. Reasons for my success this time around:
-few minutes of skype chat daily as I can assess if he gets the task that way and asks for clarification. This is also helpful in determining if he learns fast
-assessed him in a chat before assigning a trial period, as in the real world someone who can speak to his experience on the spot as opposed to through a canned email and doesn't mind a trial or competing with others tends to be better equipped to for the job
Thanks Tim for your book and for highlighting outsourcing. I feel like I'm in a much better place with online or offline.
Would still like a source of Indian MBA's for market research. Might ask a Brickwork manager for that in exchange for my helping his son with his job search. Barter, another possibility in today's world!
Considering using some VAs for outsourcing online date screening like you did, could be a fun experiment.
perhaps I should clarify. By simple tasks I meant everything you mentioned as opposed to market research. The one-time assignment deal I was offered was 30 hours which to me is as costly since I usually test VAs in 1-2 hours. 30 hours did not make sense to me and the retainer made even less sense for a research project.
But glad to know it works for you. Different strokes for different folks I guess. As you can see above I finally got some good help at my fifth try with elance.
I worked with Brickwork from Feb-September trying to get them to design a book. I couldn't even get a sample of their work or their rates until the very end. They wouldn't return emails, wouldn't call when they said they would. In short, it was terrible.
Finally went with other companies.
I think the publicity from this book has led to this company being unable to do what they need to do.
Dave
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Tim here. I totally agree that the popularity of the book has overwhelmed GetFriday and Brickwork. I'm still glad that you've taken the step to experiment with personal outsourcing, as it does work, whether that's just AMEX platinum concierge or a newer firm in the Philippines (www.agentsofvalue.com) or NYC (www.asksunday.com).
The good news is that the rise of the book has created more companies to choose from. Please don't let this first experiment phase you!
Tim
I do agree that your book was a success and you have so many great achievements after it. i have never read this book and I am planning to do now as I am an Entrepreneur too.
but first things first, The word "Indian Pimps" in your blog hurts an Indian's sentiments. So, I request you to change your heading. If the book also contains the word, I suggest you to make the necessary correction to use a different word that suits your thought.
Thanks & Regards
Ramesh GK
a lot of people seem to be having challenges with the level of quality since the book has come out:
- a lot of companies seem to be overwhelmed and have either grown too fast and dropped the quality, or:
- seem to have mixed reviews for preferential treatment being given to VIP / higher profile clients.
This makes the choice a lot more difficult, I have myself struggled to get started with Brickwork (minimum 40hr assignment) and Get Friday (waiting list of 3 weeks, no phone contact has been made with me, and payment terms of one month in advance....)
There is a plethora of smaller (untried) companies that have emerged in the meantime..
Do you have any recommendations?
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Hi Daniele,
I'm using independents from Elance.com, as well as www.asksunday.com for general concierge work. I find the smaller groups are less publicized and thus not often overwhelmed. Be sure to see my "outsourcing olympics" post for some other recs!
Hope that helps :)
Tim
Many many thanks !
Daniele
Your words of wisdom have even reached out to those of us (myself included) who havent had the golden opportunity to read your book! We currently live in Dubai and it's not distributed yet. However you've managed to make an impact on my life; I am currently investigating the idea of gifting a remote assistant for my hard working hubby and while on that search I managed to find a site offering to find healthcare services for family and friends in India. This has proven to be a golden find; my father in law lives there and requires daily medical help at home and I didn't know where to begin to search for such services. Seems like outsourcing your life does bring assurance too; knowing that we can get aid for our loved ones who live away from us is such a relief.
Thanks so much for spreading your message.
Cheers
Preeta
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Thank you so much for the kind words, Preeta! I hope to meet you some day in Dubai :)
All the best,
Tim
P.S. I will continue to scour the bookshops in Dubai until they distribute your book here. Will be gifting copies to my friends when that day comes. U Da Man!
The "AJ Jacobs did" page is incomplete for some reason. Could you get it fixed please? I'd like to read thr whole thing, it's a very interesting read!
Regards.
I would love to find a service that specializes in doing basic internet research well without several tries of back and forth. If anyone has ideas please mention.
Tim, love the book! Rock on buddy!
Chris