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The Blog of Author Tim Ferriss: 9 Tricks for Getting a Table (and Being a VIP) at Hot Restaurants

  • CW · 1 year ago
    How exactly do you tip a maitre d'? Walk up to them and hand them cash? What's the protocol?
  • Peter · 1 year ago
    Interesting post...... I used to do similar things for getting into nightclubs but never thought of restaurants. Thanks

    Tim, I have a general question if you could help me please, privately or publicly is fine.

    I have read the book twice and focused in on key areas over and over but the main issue holding me back is not really having found a product that I feel confident enough about or has not been done to death

    I have a website in logo design outside of the US and it only makes pretty average returns for the work involved despite SEO and being 3 on google for the main keyword. I act as the middle man.....

    I have other online ideas (although not a developer myself, I also outsource like you) for camparison websites but most of these have a bit of competition already and they seem to have done exclusives in some cases so will be hard to beat.

    My day job as a national accounts manager invlolves selling to the likes of Kmart etc in my country and also have experience selling hard goods and consumables (soft drinks etc) via distributor networks..... but I cant think of anything that is truly unique that I could test and could have enough distribution.....sounds pathetic I know but nothing jumps out at me. Worst part is I never stop thinking about becoming an entrepreneur but just cant seem to make it happen......

    I tried your magazine idea but I could not find anything or think of anything significant....

    I could just go ahead with my comparison site idea and hope to do it better and get better seo postioning (take at least 6 months) but as I said it will be a lot of work with no guarantees (wont work on PPC as too expensive)

    Have you any other ideas on how to stimulate product ideas. I think the rest of your book is fantastic and whilst you cant do the thinking for me or others finding a potentially successful product or service is my biggest hurdle.

    PS I have been trying to start something part time for years and am passionate about becoming an entrepreneur but I think I need a mentor to help....(hint, hint)

    Thanks

    Peter
  • Jon Hughes · 1 year ago
    Very intriguing - There aren't any overly fancy restaurants where I live, but when I visit another big city for an extended period, I'll be sure to try some of these.

    Thanks!
  • Kamakiri · 1 year ago
    Tim - Long time fan and frequent visitor to your forums, Kamakiri here. I know you didn't write this one, but a lot of the tips included in there were a bit off. Starting at the bar is great, but don't ask if the owner is around. If they wanted to talk to you they would be at the bar. This is especially the case on a busy night. The last thing they want to hear is that a customer wants to talk to them, as it is generally a complaint. Even if you have flowery praise, the owner is probably more preoccupied with the schedule, payroll, slow food, food order...

    An owner is going to make the rounds of they have the time, if they aren't doing it then calling them over will be a no no in most cases.

    Be careful with #2 as well. In many restaurants, the cooks can't stand the waiters and vice versa, and can easily get you branded as a pita.

    Never, Never order wine by price. If you use that as your ordering criteria, you should be having a beer and a burger at the local greasy spoon instead of eating in a restaurant with waiters.
  • Charles Cuninghame · 1 year ago
    This is great advice.
    Having worked in 2 of Sydney's hottest restaurants in the early 90s I know what lengths some people will go to secure a table... usually by trying to throw their weight around.
    Those sort of people often end up with spit in their soup (metaphorically speaking).
    25% tips sound good. When I was a waiter we'd average 5%.
  • Marc Rohde · 1 year ago
    If you want to be treated as a VIP in the evening make your favorite a regular lunch stop. They are usually less formal and you may have an opportunity to get to know the management.

    I was able to get into a favorite restaurant on Valentines Day without reservations because I am a regular...it was a nice to get an unplanned meal out with my wife. The owner just pulled me into the first available table.
  • Steve Metz · 1 year ago
    Good post Tim
    Folks in the restaurant world are artists and really don't get a chance for some applause. You tips here give them that chance at the spotlight. People remember fans as they usually get complaints all the time. So of my best friends have been chefs and restaurant owners. These folks are in the hospitality business and will give you VIP treatment if you give it to them first.

    No one is too busy to take a sincere compliment.
  • Sam Freedom · 1 year ago
    Kamakiri, that's no way to make friends around here. I don't even remotely believe in ***-kissing but you could have been a tad bit disingenuous. After all, the article, in general, is about how to get into others' good graces. As a member of a successful, industry-praised, oil company and a world class theater venue that has played the white house, I can honestly say that as long as the "flowery praise" is kept simple, sweet and sincere, the owner of any establishment should be glad to hear it... psychologically, it helps offset the complaints to which you referred.

    Perhaps you could have given alternative suggestions... like bringing very small "thank you" or "simply amazing!" cards with you... business card size cards with your info on one side and the other side saying,

    "This card reserved solely for those who are SIMPLY AMAZING!"

    Anyways, your rebuttal was obviously well intended... so thanks.

    And thanks to both Will, the author of the article, and Tim, the author of the blog... for an article that presents some fine starting points. Thnx..!
  • Darren Alff · 1 year ago
    I think the idea of asking the chef what his or her favorite meal is is a great idea, but I'm a vegetarian and a very picky eater. I'd be a little scared that they would recommend something I know I wouldn't like - and then be forced to order it. Should I use my diet to my advantage and twist the question by asking what the chef recommends as the best "vegetarian" meal? Or is that impolite?
  • Chris · 1 year ago
    Another diverse and interesting guest post - thanks.

    I really like the ideas presented here, and I have not really though of doing something like this despite being a lover of eating out and expecting good service. Like the old saying that "you make your own luck" I suppose the same principle applies here in the fact you get out what you put in. Paying attention to the chef and the staff will reap rewards. I'm sure this is true of many situations where you receive service.

    Love the asking for the popular and chefs recommendation. Hope to have the guts to try that soon.
  • Will Schwalbe · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the comments!

    CW: Most common is the "tip handshake." Walk up (some people think you need to do this as you are being shown to your table; I usually do it after the meal) with some folded money in your right hand. Look the Maitre d' in the eye, say thank you, and shake hands. You don't need to tip every time -- every few times is usually fine. Tips can range from $5-$20 for a modest restaurant or up to $100 at a very fancy one. You can also send a thank you card at holiday time with cash or a gift certificate. But I know that many people have different theories on all of this -- so it would be great to hear them. Oh, and you never tip the owner.

    Kamakiri: I've found that while it can be very problematic to interrupt a chef during service, if the owner isn't the chef, she or he will rarely mind being interrupted if it's just to receive the thanks of a grateful customer. But to your point, it's probably a great idea to add, "I would like to meet the owner to say thanks...if the owner isn't too busy."

    Marc: Great point about being a lunch regular! Restaurants that are packed at night but sparse during the day really appreciate the support.

    Darren: I find it's best to make sure you are in a restaurant's "sweet spot" when you do this. So if you are at a vegetarian restaurant or one with a really vegetarian-friendly menu, you should be in good shape. But I wouldn't do this if I were you and eating at a restaurant that didn't have lots of great things you can eat -- even if you make your restrictions clear.
  • Matt Savage · 1 year ago
    10. Be an actual VIP

    Having a NYTimes #1 book is also a start :)
  • Jet Set Life · 1 year ago
    We were n Miami shooting a video and decided to have dinner at Joe's Stone Crab. The restaurant was a hot commodity because stone crabs we're in season. When we arrived we were told that there was a 2 hour wait. I discretely went up to the Maitre d’ and handed him a $50 dollar bill. He promptly handed it back to me and said "we do this on the way out". I couldn't believe it. I followed his advise and did what he asked and from that night on I never waited more than 1 minute for a table.
  • dockane · 1 year ago
    Hi Will,

    Thanks for the insight. I'm curious about the choosing of the cheapest bottle of wine. . .can you elaborate a bit more on this? Is merely asking for help the driver of better treatment?

    P.S. I'll apologize if this post shows up twice, I posted it a while ago and it seems like it got snagged by my wireless connection monster.

    Cheers,
    Doc
  • Will Schwalbe · 1 year ago
    Hi Doc,

    Choosing the cheapest bottle of wine won't make you a VIP. But neither will choosing the second cheapest. (And I know a lot of chefs and owners and sommeliers who put tons of effort into finding a really good cheapest wine.) The real point -- as you sussed out! -- is that many of the people who work at good restaurants really like to help customers. Asking for help with the wine is a great start to establishing a personal relationship with the people who work there. And you should be able to be honest about your budget needs. Many people aren't -- so that's why they reflexively order the second cheapest bottle on the menu.

    Best!

    Will
  • Ed Goodsmith · 1 year ago
    I've used most of those tricks above for years, and I have to say, they always work. Plus, there's nothing that impresses a date/business person more then the owner knowing your name, and getting treated like a prince (princess).
  • Erick · 1 year ago
    Is anyone else not as interested in reading his blog since other people are authoring these?
  • Viviane · 1 year ago
    Great tips!

    We had dinner at a great restaurant once where we gave the chef carte blanche - surprise us! That dinner was memorable, both for us and the chef. It is not often that a great chef gets the chance to display his creative talents.
  • Ted · 1 year ago
    Tim,

    I hate when you let other people post on your blog - especially this crap.

    Geez.

    Ted
  • Arturo Gonzalez · 1 year ago
    Tim,

    Thank you for the suggestions. I will try them to take along my wife on great dining experiences.

    Many blessings,


    Art Gonzalez
  • Andrew Norris · 1 year ago
    Hey Tim man. You always entertain me by thinking different. I love creativity and ideas and your blog is full of them. I never know what to expect next. Hat's off to you, I'm feeling inspired.
  • Christine · 1 year ago
    Who cares? The economy is melting down, people jobless or in foreclosure, and lots of people do not have the money to go to fancy restaurants. In fact, going to fancy restaurants is not why we read this blog. Please give us more info on how to deal with the present crisis - and no obscene gestures. Thank you.
  • Jose Castro-Frenzel · 1 year ago
    Handing someone a 50 is just another bribery, yeah it may work but it kind of defeats the purpose of the whole discrete VIP notion...


    Cheers

    Jose
  • Andrew Norris · 1 year ago
    Dear Christine, in this blog lies a clue to the answer (in concept). Think different and you will break the mold. Others are not doing all they can - so the one who differentiates himself will create value. And yes even here they are creating value! Where value is created, results will flow back to you. There's often more you can do than you may think. Use it as inspiration.
  • Banana Jim · 1 year ago
    Great post Tim, I've been doing most of the same myself for awhile now, plus a couple more, I got my inspiration from Tony Bourdain's book, Kitchen Confidential, can't remember if the reco to read it came from you or elsewhere...keep on keepin' on, good stuff!
  • Jiff Wiper · 1 year ago
    Sounds like some pretty good tips to me.

    Jiff
  • dockane · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the response, Will!
  • Mizztissa · 1 year ago
    Great tips! As for the suggestion of making a place a lunch favorite, I know for a fact this one works.
  • Marrta Benkor · 1 year ago
    That 25% tip tip is bs. Sorry, I've become a 'VIP' at many restaurants over the years. The secret? Consistently frequent the place. That's it. That's the big secret. Because, when you scrape away all the cruff, the reason you're a 'VIP' is because your presence translates to $$$ for the restaurant. And that's what the restaurant is at the end of the day: a money making business.

    The other big secret: give them business when they need it the most. Everyone wants to hit the restaurant on Friday and Saturday night. Do that 10 times and you won't leave a mark, because they can always find another schlep to replace you on hot nights. You'll leave more of an impression by coming in every 3 weeks on a Wednesday with a standing than you will by being a weekly guy on Friday at 8pm (if you can manage to get that Friday table).

    The 'tip 25%' is ridiculous. It might work, but honestly, if that's what it takes to get a good table or to become a 'regular', I'd think twice about the restaurant. It's probably going to be out of business (or substantially different from its current incarnation in the next 5 years) - that shallowness never sustains a place.

    Consistency, not gauche overtipping, is the route to VIP status.
  • B.D. · 1 year ago
    For me to believe these tactics really work, Schwalbe would have to relate their success at the very very top tier Manhattan restaurants like La Grenouille, La Bernadin, Daniel, 21 Club, and Le Cirque. Being treated as a VIP at 2nd tier restaurants isn't exactly a culinary coup (the Pareto principle naturally applies to restaurant status, too). Incidentally, I've eaten at all of the above and was treated very well, got good seats (at La Bernadin, one row away from Clive Davis) by just being a civil customer who paid my bill (and no frigging 25% tip, nor one to the Maitre d', for God's sake!). Yes, the chef came out personally to say good-bye to Clive Davis and not to me, but my ego doesn't require that, believe it or not.
  • Art Josh · 1 year ago
    Hi, can I have some money to go to a restaurant? I'm completely broke as the recent financial markets wiped me out. I've been eating ramen for the past month. Haven't done that since college. Other than that, great article I think
  • tony tuna · 1 year ago
    These are great! There so clever that its funny,
    and they make sense. Very cool.
  • basetta · 1 year ago
    Let's see if it is applicable in italy :)
  • Joe | A New Band A Day.com · 1 year ago
    I found that I slipped into the 'VIP' catagory at my favourite restaurant by mistake - because I'd go and eat at the bar and chat with the bar staff regularly - because I liked chatting to them.

    Now, whenever I go, it's like being welcomed into someone's home - a lovely feeling. I suppose this is proof that Tip #1 works!
  • Javi · 1 year ago
    Tim, just wanted to say many thanks for leaving a comment in Michael's blog! (Esprit-riche)

    Javi (From Madrid reunion)
  • Andy Kirkpatrick · 1 year ago
    YO TIM

    I hope you haven't forgotten about climbing El Cap this spring (maybe I'll give you two days to practice first!).

    Get in touch.

    Andy K
  • Steve Metz · 1 year ago
    Tim

    Sorry for this off topic request. I would like to hear your views and tactics on how to deal with jealousy from friends and family when you have achieved your goals and live an alternate lifestyle.

    I have been living a lifestyle described in your book for the last 20 years. I only work one day a week managing my business and take time off to pursue other interest. I also do some charity work. I get a lot of flack from my parents and my wife that I should work harder and make more money ect. I do quite well and make a very good income and do lots of cool stuff like racing in the Colorado grand prix a couple of weeks ago. Friends and family however are baffled. How do you deal with it.

    Thanks
  • Ken Okel · 1 year ago
    While this may be a bit obvious, it's always good to treat restaurant staff as you would want to be treated. People reciprocate good behavior.
  • Pek Pongpaet · 1 year ago
    I find that chatting up the waiter and forming a relationship with them works really well. I get their name, find out who they are and ask for them the next time if they did a good job.

    Also for small restaurants where the owner is very hand on, I try to chat them up as well.

    As with one reader said, I also try to go on the down days. Several times my wife and I would go on slow days like Mondays on when the weather is bad. When you are one of a few people at the restaurant, not only do you get to chat the people up more, you get treated so much better because they are not in a hurry.
  • Alex Weber @ The Art of Charm · 1 year ago
    Hey Tim/Will,

    This article was great! I love technical tips like this. Hope to see more, and wanted to leave my comment love to draw more attention here.

    Money!
    Alex
  • Dave Lee · 1 year ago
    Tim,

    Why do you have a hurl in your hand in the photo at the top of the page?


    I just thought it was random/funny.
  • timferriss · 1 year ago
    @Dave,

    The hurley is from when I was training in Galway with a team there, believe it or not. I wasn't great, but it was a blast.

    It was also a prop for the shoot that I thought we be sufficiently confusing/amusing to include with a pagoda :)

    Tim
  • Sean Oliver · 1 year ago
    Good tip. It always helps to be seen as a person first, and not just a customer.
  • YoungMoneyTalks · 1 year ago
    I think this is a great list and, hey, who couldn't use a break from the phrases "credit crunch," "mortgage meltdown," and "economy in crisis?"

    I've found that the best way to get treated like a VIP is to treat everyone else like a VIP too. Be nice, make people laugh, and let the servers know they did a great job. They'll appreciate it and remember you when you come back. I know I did!
  • Sam Freedom · 1 year ago
    UPDATE... I tried all 9 of these out with the staff at DENNY'S and, guess what? IT WORKS!

    I got my "Moons Over My Hammy" so fast it made my date's head spin! And they let us sit at the corner table 9-seater all by ourselves!

    Thanks, Tim and Will!

    Sam
  • Jazzy · 1 year ago
    #8 seems so obvious yet I never even thought about that. Definitely noted for the next time I go out to dinner!
  • Penne · 1 year ago
    @Sam ROTFLOL Thanks for the first hee-haw of my day! Hey, Tim, look for a special note in your Inbox -- I'm on assignment with Canfield this week :D
  • Penne · 1 year ago
    @Will, I enjoyed your tips ~ we always make a point to say Thanks to the server and staff at our favorite restaurants in more ways than one, and they express their appreciation tenfold! :D

    Celebrate Life & learning ~ I AM!
    Penne and the CanDo! Crew :o)

    iLearn in Freedom Network
    (Click username to visit see what we're all about!)
  • Ellen Hart · 1 year ago
    I enjoyed reading this post... especially the tip on not ordering the 2nd cheapest wine. I'm guilty on occasion.

    I'm new to your blog but will definitely be back. It seems as though you've got a great mix of content and a lot of readers!
  • danelm · 1 year ago
    Hej all ! This post about fancy restaurants is too much. Come on get some real topic about crisis. We all (the whole world) be in a new 1929 . Not only US americans. As David Bowie's song "Five years" will take to re born ?

    Tack!
    Danelm
  • Will Schwalbe · 1 year ago
    Ellen -- Thanks for the comment. Glad it worked. And thanks, too, to Ed and Viviane and others. I'm pleased that so many people realized the intent of the post -- which is to remind people the rewards of being nice (not that it needs a reward), of being loyal, of being generous, and of being interested in advice from the staff about what to eat and drink.

    I know that some parts of the post may sound tone-deaf in this really horrible economic climate -- and appreciate the humorous ways people pointed this out. But especially when people can't afford to eat out much, they really want and deserve it to be special when they do -- particularly if it's for an occasion like a birthday or an anniversary. And while some of the hottest and best new restaurants in my neighborhood are fairly reasonably priced local spots -- in tough times even theses are a splurge. As B.D. rightly points out, in the fanciest of fancy restaurants, you probably will be treated pretty nicely no matter what you do.
  • Anna Lee Anda · 1 year ago
    Hi Tim,

    Very interesting post. I have a challenge for you, what about getting upgraded on planes. Since you travel so much, I would be interested to know what your tips are on air travel as cattle class is getting more and more uncomfortable.

    Anna
  • LivePaola · 1 year ago
    The cheapest wine? I know several people who are hardcore wine lovers and systematically order the best wine on the list. Or, even better: after making appropriate arrangements with the restaurant, they bring a bottle from their own cellar (usually far superior to anything that the restaurant has on the list) and then generously share it with the sommelier, maitre and chef. Everybody wins. These people get the real VIP treatment.
  • JC · 1 year ago
    # 7 is lame! "If you can't afford to tip well (25%), you can't afford to eat there." STFU!!!
  • Margi · 1 year ago
    I enjoyed reading the article. I like the idea of being treated like a VIP.

    Sorry if this is off the topic. But the main reason I am writing is because of the comment posted by Peter on Oct 19th....he says: "Have you any other ideas on how to stimulate product ideas...."

    I have the opposite problem. I work for an inventor who has hundreds of product ideas and keeps getting more, but I can't keep up with him. We need people who would like to market these, so we can keep thinking up product ideas and creating prototypes, instead of getting caught up in marketing.

    Just one example is a software program that increases your brain wave coherence while it runs in the background of your computer. We are looking for people like Peter who know how to market, but don't have a unique product to market.
  • jeff · 1 year ago
    I own two restaurants in NYC that are very successful and stumbled upon this. This guy has no f*cking idea what he's talking about. The thing about the second cheapest bottle of wine especially irritated me. You want to be a VIP, be nice, get to know the staff, and truly enjoy the place. A lot of our VIPs don't spend a lot of money or tip a lot at all, we just really like them.
  • Leonard Irwin · 1 year ago
    Tim
    Great post on how to get ahead before eating dinner. Another way is to use a website service call the opentable. Here you can reserve a seat within in seconds. Confirmation is fast plus looks impressive to other. I have used it several times and always got a table with a confirmation message within 2 minutes of making the arrangements.

    Works well with web enabled phone pda's etc...

    PS Love the book thanks for the read
  • Rudi · 1 year ago
    It's a shame that people seem to have to have a 'plan'. Why not just enjoy the restaurant for what it is. We've had some of the best times in restaurants that were't booked, weren't expensive. One comes to mind in Paris where we were shoe-horned in with other diners, the place was heaving, passing plates back and forth having a great time with new friends. Spontaneity is king!
  • Mark Cornish · 1 year ago
    In referencing Rudi's comments, that it is a shame people always need a plan. Why is that a bad thing? To make my life easier, a little planning seems to go a long way. Most of the tips Tim gave seem to be based on the same idea, treat people how you would like to be treated. Especially staff at restaurants, cause most people treat them like 'the help'.
    Also, looking at Christine's comment on why we should care about dining in a fancy restaurant in these tough economic times. Doesn't have to be a fancy restaurant. And, what about those who do business over food and drink? Spending a bit more, having a strategic plan, and being 'in' with the staff will help your social capital in front of an important client.
    These tips are very useful, and could make the difference between looking good in front of an important client or looking like an ass. And, who likes to do business with an ass?
  • Monica Laipple · 1 year ago
    Thanks for the wine hint. Will be using that tonight. It was great meeting you the other day. Loved the photo shoot.
    Monica MIchelle
  • Mark · 1 year ago
    Tip 25%....just so that you can get a table when you need it - you must be joking! I'd rather visit a restaurant that wasn't so pretentious!
  • max · 1 year ago
    Great post, I will have to use that wine tip, I always chose the 2nd most expensive, I haven't tried the cheapest much.
  • Diana · 10 months ago
    I just wanna say that these tips really works.. i have tried many of them and its been great.. cant wait to try the rest :D